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Orrin Evans: Hot Irons In The Fire

You got to keep some irons in the fire. Keep a lot of things going so you don't get bored
Orin Evans
But for the 38-year-old who hails from Philadelphia, jazz, though a pleasure, was a bit of a mystery when he was first experimenting with it.
"I didn't know what improvisation was, to be honest. I didn't know what they were doing," when he listened to records, says Evans. "I got into jazz through the Great American Songbook. My mother was a singer, my father was a playwright. So I came up with Broadway and everything. I just knew tunes. That's how I got into jazz more. I was drawn to the sounds. It wasn't improvisation because I didn't know what it was. I just recognized the beautiful harmonies and I wanted to understand more."
The music's magical improvisational was "an added plus," he quips. It's a "plus" he's been investigating in a career spanning more than 20 years and more than 20 albums. Evans is always engaging as he expresses himself in the keyboards. He's exciting as well as innovative. He keeps as a high priority a desire to express himself in the music, and to always work on developing his own sound and approach.
He notes from that early period, "Once I discovered the music and then realized what was happening, I was like, 'Oh wow. That's what's going on?' And that was fun. It's still fun."
Among the directions Evans likes to take is the big band element, and he occasionally leads his Captain Black Big Band at gigs around New York. He's recorded two albums with the band, most recently Mother's Touch which came out this year on Posi-Tone Records. Thought the record is out just this year, it was recorded not long after his first big band recording came out, Captain Black Big Band in 2011 (also Posi-Tone).
"It's a totally different project," he said of the new release, which is a studio session, while the first was recorded live. "The first band was a group of individuals where we said, 'Let's see what happens.' We had a great time. I called on some friends. And between the two records, there as some personnel changes. For no major reason, just things happen to bands. Some people weren't in New York. No matter what, the core was the same. But the vibe between recordsone is studio project and the first was was liveit's the next step. Hopefully it's a new journey or a new book."
Both albums are smoking with a lot of original music and an occasional re-working, like

Wayne Shorter
saxophone1933 - 2023
"I like making a big band act like a small group," says Evans. "That's been one of the most exciting things about the band. Getting arrangers like

Todd Bashore
saxophone, alto
David Gibson
trombone
Todd Marcus
clarinet, bassEvans hands his compositional creations to others in the band, but "we talked about things we want in the arrangement." When he is arranging, "Mother's Touch" and "Jena 6" are examples on the new disk, he makes a conscious effort to devise ways to keep the big band loose, with traits of a small band. He says he tries "to keep the band thinking like a small group. Sometimes in a big group, you're like, 'I'll just lay out.' You're looking at a big band and you can see the whole front row of saxophonists looking bored. Or the trombonists looking bored. The way I try to look at it is we're keeping everybody involved constantly through the entire process."
What Evans doesn't do, he says, is try to stylize the process. "In My Soul," for example, has some church and soul to it. But, "The funny thing is, I don't really even think about that. I think sometimes people think I do, but mostly I just do what I enjoy doing. I've seen people do it. They're like, 'We can't put this song next to this song.' The way I look at it is: lets just put them all on and see what people like. I envy the people who do a project and it's, like, this is going to be this kind of project. And they do the entire project. I've always wanted to do it, but there's always a part of me that says, 'Let me throw this little wrench in here.' ...'He did a whole record ofOh, no he didn't,'" he says gleefully.
As is the case these days, getting work for a big band isn't easy. Still, Evans hopes to keep it going and envisions more recordings in the future for Captain Black.
"I've got a great group of people who understand the struggle. I try to treat them right. We've been lucky to have a full-time gig every other week at Smoke in New York, so that kind of helps as far as the overall morale of the band. Everybody's excited because we have something to look forward to every other week," he says. "But the whole thing is based on letting the band know you're trying your best. The hardest thing is travel. When you have to get 15 people there, that can be difficult. A quartet, you can rent a minivan. You've got to be dedicated to it."
He adds, "The most exciting thing about the Captain Black Big Band and what makes the process of the second record and the third and fourth and however long we're blessed to continue to play, is getting closer to documenting that energy of a big band that operates like a small group."
The affable Evans chuckles a bit thinking about the new Captain Black release, because it took some time to get to the public. "I'm excited that it's out. It seems like everyone is enjoying it. The only issue for us is sometimes by the time it gets to the public, we're already thinking about the next one."
Evans seems to be always having different irons in the fire, stoking the logs and generating heat for his audience. His next thing is a quintet album coming out in August. Liberation Man (Smoke Session), dedicated to

Dwayne Burno
bass1970 - 2013

Bill Stewart
drumsb.1966

JD Allen
saxophone, tenorb.1972

Sean Jones
trumpetb.1978

Luques Curtis
bass, acousticEvans says the next big band record could come out a year from now, which could be some

Sun Ra
piano1914 - 1993

Sun Ra
piano1914 - 1993
Additionally, a group he formed with two comrades, bassist

Eric Revis
bassb.1967

Nasheet Waits
drumsb.1971

Oliver Lake
saxophoneb.1942

Marc Ducret
guitarb.1957
"It's fun to play with these cats. It's family. Kids and family. It's been a long time. It's really fun... When you're all speaking the same language there is no 'wrong.' It's just, 'Come on. Let's play,'" Says Evans. "Ultimately what attracted me to playing with Eric and Nasheet, along with some other people I like to play with, is the humanitarian vibe... it carries to the bandstand, once you get too that level of conversation with someone."
A strong music scene in Philly fostered and fueled Evans growing up. His mother encouraged him to play piano. And, he was living in neighborhoods where "I couldn't run and play in the street. So that's pretty much when I said, 'OK. Let me get back into this piano thing my mother was trying to get me to play.' That's pretty much when I fell in love with it and found a whole new world."
Evans' father listened to jazz and his uncle was a jazz musician around Philly so he was exposed to the music. He had some informal instruction from the likes of

Trudy Pitts
organ, Hammond B31932 - 2010

Shirley Scott
organ, Hammond B31934 - 2002

Mickey Roker
drums1932 - 2017

Bobby Durham
drums1937 - 2008
"It was a musical place. No one spectacular," he says. "It was a time with

Joey DeFrancesco
organ, Hammond B31971 - 2022

Christian McBride
bassb.1972
In 1993, after attending Girard Academic Music Program, Evans went to the Mason Gross School of the Arts at Rutgers University.

Kenny Barron
pianob.1943

JoAnne Brackeen
pianob.1938
"Anybody that played music I was into. I was smart enough to know I shouldn't have an opinion at that time. So all I did was listen and check out more stuff. There was no one I wouldn't at least check out," he says. "But I only gravitated to people to find my sound and my language. There's not one person out that that's an elder in this music that I don't respect. From

John Hicks
piano1941 - 2006

Kenny Kirkland
piano1955 - 1998

Marian McPartland
piano1918 - 2013

Herbie Hancock
pianob.1940
Upon moving to New York in the mid-90s, getting hired by

Bobby Watson
saxophone, altob.1953
The Watson gig opened the door to a career that found him playing on the New York jazz scene with the likes of

Wallace Roney
trumpet1960 - 2020

Pharoah Sanders
saxophone, tenor1940 - 2022

Antonio Hart
band / ensemble / orchestrab.1968

Ralph Bowen
saxophone
Mingus Big Band
band / ensemble / orchestra
Branford Marsalis
saxophoneb.1960

Ravi Coltrane
saxophone, tenorb.1965
"The scene is what you make it. It's definitely a different scene," he says of New York these days. "But it's what you make it. This is what we do. We can't walk around and say, 'There's no clubs, so we're not going to work.' You've got to find other things, find other avenues to do what you've got to do. It's not a time when I would go out at 11 [p.m.] and hit six or seven jazz clubs. No. But it's today, and we have to adjust to make it today work. You've got stay in everybody's face. Every year you've got to do something new."
To the point, he adds, "I wouldn't want to do anything else."
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